{"id":179,"date":"2007-10-11T14:50:37","date_gmt":"2007-10-11T19:50:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.randomideas.net\/?p=179"},"modified":"2007-10-11T14:50:37","modified_gmt":"2007-10-11T19:50:37","slug":"more-on-the-objective-reality-of-ideas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/?p=179","title":{"rendered":"More on the Objective Reality of Ideas"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>My philosophy came up in an online discussion today. I decided to copy the explanation I gave:<\/p>\n<p>Question:<\/p>\n<p>Post #18<br \/>\n1 reply<br \/>\n&#8220;So basically, you believe there are ideas out there, and it&#8217;s just a matter of time before we discover them&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>And so they are not original ideas, or ideas that we &#8220;create,&#8221; but instead truths that already exist that we simply discover and recombine according to our own principles.<\/p>\n<p>So creativity, then, is making connections.<\/p>\n<p>I wonder if an original idea could ever be &#8220;wrong&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Response:<\/p>\n<p>Post #19<br \/>\nEssentially. It&#8217;s sort of like Platonic idealism, in that the things in the real world are simply combinations of some set of absolute concepts, such as &#8220;has branches&#8221;, &#8220;is green&#8221;, etc. Theoretically, if we had an infinite amount of time to do so, we could describe the entire universe in terms of how these ideas come together. (We don&#8217;t have an infinite amount of time, so what we get is &#8220;knowledge&#8221;: an approximation to the truth that becomes more and more accurate with time. Not just science, either; we&#8217;re also part of the universe, so the humanities and arts are just as valid. If you&#8217;re familiar with calculus, think integral vs. sum. They&#8217;re equivalent in the limit).<\/p>\n<p>However, because we exist within the material world, the ideas also have a subjective component. Even though we can perceive the same ideas differently, our perceptions are still both true; it&#8217;s not as if we are seeing different &#8220;shadows on the cave wall&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>The example I like to use is a photo of a tree. Say we take two photographs of the same tree with different exposures. They&#8217;re going to appear differently, but that does not change the fact that they *are* (in an absolute sense) photos of the same tree. A person may or may not *identify* them as the same tree, however; this is where the subjectivity comes in. However, because the subjective component of an idea is not inferior to the absolute one, whether the response is &#8220;this is the same tree&#8221; or &#8220;this is not the same tree&#8221; is irrelevant; they&#8217;re both correct.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s actually the logical conclusion of this whole philosophy &#8211; there&#8217;s no such thing as an idea that&#8217;s truly wrong. Of course, how useful it is is still up for debate (though most people tend to be very bad at judging how useful an idea is; in general, people tend to underestimate). Even blatantly contradictory ideas such as &#8220;the sky is green&#8221; are useful because they allow us to refine our approximation of the truth by discarding inconsistencies.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My philosophy came up in an online discussion today. I decided to copy the explanation I gave: Question: Post #18 1 reply &#8220;So basically, you believe there are ideas out there, and it&#8217;s just a matter of time before we discover them&#8230; And so they are not original ideas, or ideas that we &#8220;create,&#8221; but [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-179","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-ideas","category-philosophy"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=179"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=179"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=179"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/randomideas.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=179"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}